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« on: March 26, 2011, 12:47:28 PM »

Hi!

I would like to help finding out cargo capacity of cargo planes.

Tonnes = metric tons; ton/tons = imperial tons.

I will list aircraft and sources here as I find them.

Unless otherwise stated, the listed aircraft would use the passenger version specifications.

Currently, I have:

Airbus:
A300B4F: 38 tonnes for 2700 nm source
A300-600F: 47 tonnes for 2430 nm, first flight in 1994 (specs, first flight)
A300-600ST: 47 tonnes for 2160 nm, entered service in 1996 (source)
A310-300F: 39 tonnes for 3240 nm, specs
A330-200F (1) 65 tonnes for 4000 nm, first flight in 2010 (specs and first flight)
A330-200F (2) 70 tonnes for 3200 nm, first flight in 2010 (specs and first flight)

ATR:
ATR 42-300F: 5 tonnes for 814 nm
ATR 42-320F: 5 tonnes for 822 nm
ATR 42-500F: 5 tonnes for 1090 nm
ATR 72-200F: 7,5 tonnes for 1032 nm
ATR 72-210F: 7,5 tonnes for 955 nm
ATR 72-500F: 7,5 tonnes for 1045 nm
Source for all (page 12 and 13)


Antonov:
An-3TK *: 1,8 ton for 135 nm, 1,5 ton for 297 nm, 1,2 ton for 459 nm; source. First flight in 2000.
An-10AS: No data yet...
An-12B: 18 tonnes for 1944 nm (source)
An-22: 50 tonnes (note 2)
An-26B: 6,5 tonnes (note 2)
An-32B: 7,5 ton for 567 nm, 5 ton for 1080 nm, 2,8 ton for 1728 nm; source. First flight in 1995.
An-70: 47 ton for 1620 nm, 35 ton for 2754, 20 ton for 3564 nm; source.
An-72TK: 10 tonnes for 430 nm, first flight in 1977 (service entry 1980), source
An-74T-200: 8,9 tonnes for 783 nm; source or 6,5 tonnes according to note 2.
An-124-100M: 120 tonnes for 2430 nm; source.
An-225: The maximum payload is 250 tonnes, but as stated by the specs page, the range of 200 tonnes payload would be 2160 nm. The max range is 7559 nm. Source

Beechcraft:
Beech B200C: 1,2 tonnes (note 2)

Boeing:
Model 200: 1,5 tonnes for 461 nm, first flight in 1930 (source, note 3)
707-300C: 32,7 tonnes for 2607 nm (source)
727-200F: 23,5 tonnes for 1501 nm (source)
737-200F: 18,1 tonnes for 1501 nm (source)
737-300F: 18,6 tonnes for 1501 nm (source)
737-400C: ~18 tonnes for 2060 nm (source)
737-700C: 18,2 tonnes for 2880 nm. (specs)
747-100F: 91 tonnes for 3041 nm, first flight in 1974 (source)
747-200F: 90,3 tonnes for 3780 nm source
747-300F: 110 tonnes (note 2)
747-400F: 120 tonnes for 4590 nm. First flight in 1993 (specs, first flight) OR
747-400ERF: 110 tonnes for 4975nm. First flight in 2002 (specs)
747-8F: 140 tonnes for 4390 nm; not flying yet. Source
757-200PF: 39,8 tonnes for 3150 nm. First flight in 1988 (specs, first flight)
767-300F: 55 tonnes for 3255 nm. First flight in 1993 with UPS (specs and note 2)
777-200F: 100 tonnes for 4894 nm. First flight in 2009 (specs and fist flight and note 2)

Bombardier:
CRJ-200PF: 6,8 tonnes for 1080 nm. Fist delivery of a CRJ-200PF, data source
CL-415MP: 2,9 tonnes; source

Breuget
Breuget 765 Sahara: 19,4 tonnes for 1242 nm, first flight in 1958 (source, note 3)

British Aerospace
BAe ATP: 8,2 tonnes (source)
BAe 146-200QT: 11,8 tonnes for 1045 nm (source)
BAe 146-300QT: 12,5 tonnes for 1040 nm (source)
HS 748 Cargo: 6 tonnes for 926 nm(source)

Budd
Budd Conestoga: 6,2 tonnes for 609 nm, first flight in 1943 (source, note 3)

Canadair
CL-44: 30 tonnes for 2607 nm (source)
Dash 7-701: 5 tonnes (source)

CASA
C-295PT: 4 tonnes for 2430 nm (source)

Cessna:
208A: 1,4 tonnes for 1115 nm (source)
208B: 1,6 tonnes for 1080 nm (source)
406 Titan: 1,2 tonnes (note 2)

Dassault Aviation
M.D.315 Flammant: 1,6 tonnes for 656 nm, first flight in 1949 (source)
Falcon Cargo Jet: 2,5 tonnes for 1620 nm, source

Douglas:
DC-3: 3,4 tonnes for 521 nm, first fligt in 1946 (source, note 3)
DC-6A: 14,5 tonnes for 1738 nm (source)
DC-8-55F: 41 tonnes (note 2)
DC-8-62F: 42 tonnes for 2970 nm (source)
DC-8-63F: 49,6 tonnes for 2484 nm (specs)
DC-9-30AF: A dedicated freighter. Anyone has the specs? (article on wikipedia)
DC-10-30F: 67 tonnes for 3780 nm, first flight in 1986 (specs, first flight)
MD-11F: 93 tonnes for 3996 nm (source)
MD-11CF: 90 tonnes for 3510 nm (source

Embraer
EMB-120F: 3,7 tonnes source

Fairchild:
Metroliner II: 1,4 tonnes (note 2)
Metroliner III: 2,1 tonnes (note 2)
Metroliner 23: 2,3 tonnes (note 2)

Fokker:
F27-500: 6,2 tonnes for 617 nm, first flight in 1967 (from AM database)
F27-600: 6,3 tonnes for 940 nm. Source and note 2.

Harbin
Harbin Y-12G: 2,5 tonnes for 723 nm (source, note 3)

Ilyushin:
Il-76TD: 50 tonnes for 3700 nm, first flight in 1982; source
Il-76TD-90: 50 tonnes for 4300 nm, first flight in 2005; source, first flight
Il-76TF: 60 tonnes for 4000 nm, none produced.
Il-96T: 58 tonnes for 5238 nm, first flight in 1997 source
Il-96-400T: 92 tonnes for 2700 nm or 40 tonnes for 6479 nm; source, source 2. First flight in 2005 (at the bottom)
Il-114-100T: 6,5 tonnes for 1080 nm, first flight in 2001; source

Junkers
Junkers Ju52/1m: 2 tonnes of freight for 810 nm; source

Lockheed:
Super Constellation: 19,5 tonnes for 2172 nm (source)
L-100-10: 23 tonnes for 1335 nm. Specs
L-100-30: 21 tonnes for 1335 nm. First flight in 1970. Source and note 2.
L-188CF: 15 tonnes for 1910 nm. First flight in 1967. Source and note 2.
L-382 Hercules: 20 tonnes for 2052 nm. Source
L-500F: 122,5 tonnes for 6320 nm. Source - although it's the specs of the C-5 Galaxy, the specifications would have been the same on the L-500. It would have flown around 1970.
L-1011-100F: 49 tonnes for 2670 nm, source
L-1011F: 55 tonnes (note 2)

Saab
Saab 340AF: 3,8 tonnes (note 2)

Shorts
Belfast: 40 tonnes for 405 nm (specs, first flight)
Shorts 360-300F: 3,5 tonnes (note 2)

SNCAC
NC.211 Cormoran: 19 tonnes for 1080 nm, first (successful) flight in 1949 (source, note 3)

Tupolev:
Tu-154C: 20 tonnes (source)
Tu-154S: 18 tonnes for 2160 nm; source
Tu-204C: 27 tonnes for 1755 nm; source


Please note that this list isn't complete at all. I will continue to find more data as I have time.

New aircraft in the system:

ATR 42 and 72

Notes:
* = An-3T is an upgraded version of the An-2 - look here
**= I will find out the ranges of the ATR-42F and 72F.
I am still in doubt regarding the payload of Antonov aircraft, I will contact them (some day near the release of freight) to get more information.
The Il-96T and Il-96-400T are apparently the same, but I'm in doubt.
NOTE 2: tonnes taken from this site: http://www.chapman-freeborn.com/en/cargo_aircraft_specifications/
NOTE 3: The tonnage is taken by subtracting 'empty weight' and MTOW. These numbers are not precise.


EDIT 1 (26-3): Added several Antonov aircraft.
EDIT 2 (26-3): Added ATR, Bombardier, Ilyushin and Tupolev aircraft.
EDIT 3 (27-3): Added Airbus, Antonov, Beechcraft, Boeing, BAe, Cessna, Dassault, Douglas, Fairchild, Lockheed, Saab and Shorts. Only added with cargo capacity (note 2).
EDIT 4 (30-3): Edited some data as I found www.aircharter-international.com with both payload in kilo and range. Added Shorts Bristol and 737-200F.
EDIT 5 (30-3): Added some older aircraft. EDIT 5a: Added some more. EDIT 5b: even more...
EDIT 6 (31-3): Removed A380F.
EDIT 7 (02-1): Added range and payload for ATR aircraft.
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2011, 03:00:09 PM »

I would like to help finding out cargo capacity of cargo planes. What unit do you measure in? Metric tonnes?

Tonnes = metric tons; ton/tons = imperial tons.

Metric tonnes. 1000 kg = 1 ton. Find the weight in kg, nobody can be in doubts about that.

DC-9-30AF: A dedicated freighter. Anyone has the specs? (article on wikipedia)

MD-11F: I can't find anything yet (article on wikipedia)

MD-11F on Boeing's website:
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The all-cargo MD-11F provides the capacity for 202,100-pound (91,670 kilograms) gross payloads
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/md-11family/freighter.html
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2011, 03:11:14 PM »

All numbers from this Boeing page: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/freighters/index.html

Boeing 747-8F - 140.000 kg at 8150 km 4400 nm: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/747-8_facts.html

Boeing 747-400F - 110.000 kg at 8150 km / 4400 nm. (Mathias, your number is in long-tons).

Boeing 747-400ERF - 120.000 kg at 8150 km / 4400 nm or 110.000 at 9000 km / 4859 nm.

Boeing 777-200F - 103.900 kg at 9065 km / 4894 nm.

Boeing 767-300F - 54.400 kg at 5929 km / 3201 nm.


ATR: http://www.atraircraft.com/products/derivatives.html

ATR-42F - 5300 kg

ATR-72F - 8600 kg


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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2011, 05:18:59 PM »

Nice, I'll add those to the list Grin

But wait, some of you're data doesn't match with my data. Maybe you wanna check the sources I've listed at each aircraft?
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2011, 10:03:18 PM »

Nice, I'll add those to the list Grin

But wait, some of you're data doesn't match with my data. Maybe you wanna check the sources I've listed at each aircraft?

I used Boeing and ATR as sources.
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2011, 10:10:31 PM »

Other types to research:

Fokker 27 family
C-130 Hercules family
C-130J Super Hercules family
C-27A
C-27J
An-2
An-8
An-10
An-12
An-22
An-24/26
CASA C235
CASA C295
An-72
C-160 Transall
Shorts Belfast
An-70
A-400M
C-17
C-141A/B
C-5A/B/C/M
Cessna Caravan
Pilatus PC-6
PC-12
Dash-8-Q400F (Conversion - a few ex-SAS planes have been converted)
BAe ATP
Avro RJ-85
737-200
727-200
707
HS 728
The KFC plane
Convair 240
Martin 404
Martin 202
DC-3/C-47 + assorted stretched turboprop variants
Lockheed Electra
Bristol Britannia
C-46
Vickers Vanguard / Merchantman
CL-44
Il-18

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The Il-96T and Il-96-400T are apparently the same, but I'm in doubt.
The Il-96T is the name of the modernised Il-96 family. The -400T is the modernised stretched variant. I don't think the Il-96-300T has been built yet.
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2011, 10:35:14 PM »

Okay, I now have a sleepless night Grin

Lol, "the KFC plane" Tongue You mean KFC 5800, right? Grin

Il-96T is the freighter variant of the Il-96. Il-96-400T is also the freigher variant of the Il.96-400. T stands for transport afaik.
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2011, 11:11:03 PM »

sorry for the double-post...

I found a GREAT site!

http://www.chapman-freeborn.com/en/cargo_aircraft_specifications/

Now I'll only need the range - that shouldn't be so hard Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2011, 11:54:18 PM »

I have the A330-200F stats in my flight international magazine. I'll see if I can scan it and put it up.
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2011, 12:00:23 AM »

Nice, thanks. I'm still editing from over an hour ago - this is tough work Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2011, 12:12:07 AM »

As Virgin Serbia has eluded to with the 747-400ERF above, different cargo capacities result in different carrying capacities. In reality, airlines change the weight of cargo they have based on how far they want to fly - creating an element of variability not seen in passenger operations.
I don't know how AM would get around this... maybe getting a range of known capacities/ranges and offering them to players. Or perhaps having some kind of model which can calculate range/payload data, based on a few  known values.
I imagine most of the values you will find will be maximums - at least in terms of payload - and perhaps also in terms of range (especially if the data comes from two separate sources).
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2011, 08:43:49 AM »

As Virgin Serbia has eluded to with the 747-400ERF above, different cargo capacities result in different carrying capacities. In reality, airlines change the weight of cargo they have based on how far they want to fly - creating an element of variability not seen in passenger operations.
I don't know how AM would get around this... maybe getting a range of known capacities/ranges and offering them to players. (especially if the data comes from two separate sources).

Simple, offer two engine `variants´. On has capacity instead of range, the other has range instead of capacity. It's really no different from passenger planes, and the game gets around that with no problems. Some airlines sacrifice passengers (and sometimes cargo) for longer range Wink Take for example Emirates' route to LAX, using the 777-300ER. It is only possibly with reduced capacity.

Or perhaps having some kind of model which can calculate range/payload data, based on a few  known values.
I imagine most of the values you will find will be maximums - at least in terms of payload - and perhaps also in terms of range (especially if the data comes from two separate sources).

Game A has a nice system for calculating different capacities etc. But that is much more advanced. I think on the bottom line, we can't make everything 100% realistic. Even the 737NGs are horribly wrong in-game.    

If two numbers are different, we should find the average instead. The numbers aren't very different anyway.


Mathias, you forgot the 767-200F and A310F:
767-200F: 42.000 kg over 6000 km / 3239 nm - http://www.starair.dk/services.asp

A310-200F: 40.600 kg over 5950 km / 3212 nm - http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/a310-200f/
A310-300C: According to wiki, payload is the same as the -200F, range is 7330 km / 3957 nm
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2011, 09:43:14 AM »

The problem with making "engine variants" is that you can't then vary it between routes. I can't choose to have extra range on one route and extra cargo capacity on the second.
The difference between cargo and passengers is that with the latter, the planes are fixed in their seat/range amounts (i.e. Emirates 777 is always in long range capacity - cargo planes aren't).
That said, even a simple system which operates much like the current pax system would be an interesting addition.
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2011, 10:30:24 AM »

The problem with making "engine variants" is that you can't then vary it between routes. I can't choose to have extra range on one route and extra cargo capacity on the second.

It would be good enough for the beginnings. We can't make everythin 100% realistic. You can't reconfigure the passenger planes either Wink Perhaps at some later point the game can be fixed to make it better.
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2011, 10:04:04 PM »

Mathias, you forgot the 767-200F and A310F:
767-200F: 42.000 kg over 6000 km / 3239 nm - http://www.starair.dk/services.asp

A310-200F: 40.600 kg over 5950 km / 3212 nm - http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/a310-200f/
A310-300C: According to wiki, payload is the same as the -200F, range is 7330 km / 3957 nm
I might have forgotten them, but the list is far from done. Also, I try to find other sources than Wikipedia, as AM doesn't see Wiki as a reliable source.

I will try to find more data in the following days.

And I will probably change the payload to kilogrammes Tongue
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